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Candi LeMew Isogen 5 20569	Posted - 2015.02.13 18:40:42 - [1] - Quote Hello Pilots, it's your Friendly Banana coming to you with an issue. I've got a suggestion which is also somewhat of a question. After discussing this issue with several others recently, and even mentioning it to CSM corbexx to look into, I figured it was about time I made an actual thread to make this an actual suggestion. TL:DR -I'd like to see the physically simulated hair look remain in final portraits. Physically Simulated Hair and Cloth We've all seen it in the character creator, the gorgeous flowing long-locks of hair, the ponytails hanging effortlessly behind the wearer's back, the braids draped gracefully over one's shoulder. But you see once you've taken your new portrait it doesn't come out looking anything at all like that. In fact, with the mothballing of WiS, the physically simulated hair and cloth look is nothing more than a WiS legacy that hangs in the character creator, teasing us with a level of beauty we can only dream about retaining in our final, rendered portraits. Here's an example. Take me, The Banana, I recently changed my hairstyle to the lovely braids you see before you. When I completed the portrait and inspected it pre-render/update I thought "Wow, that's awesome" Before final portrait render: http://i.imgur.com/6FKy4JP.jpg Then after the portrait eventually rendered/updated I was left stunned and more than a little dissapointed to see my braids suddenly floating in mid-air! After the final render: https://image.eveonline.com/character/942849185_1024.jpg Ewww, right? As it turns out, this is the reason we see a ton of portraits around with distorted looking hair, especially ponytails. It's the same reason we see our long hair suddenly cut short in the final portrait, it's the reason braids somehow defy physics and begin to levitate. CCP, the servers seem to recognize the simulated hair look just fine (look at the pre-rendered version of my own, ingame). But for some reason it does not keep this look after the portrait is rendered/updated and it returns to the non-simulated appearance. Not only is this purely ugly and wasting people's time in the character creator, but it seems like an enormous waste of what is a spectacular part of your character creator. Please CCP, can you allow us to keep the simulated hair appearance in final portraits. Pretty please? If not, why? Thank you for taking the time to read. GÖÑ =ƒÉÆ Bob Is Always Watching ... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James Dusette SquadGäó endorses Corbexx for CSM X !
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 20616	Posted - 2015.02.13 20:12:38 - [2] - Quote Sunrise Aigele wrote: I have been burned by this so many times! It is why I have my hair in a bun. Sorry to hear, but I agree with Kaeeliaa - you look great. Same issue for me, these braids were an experiment after hours of attempts with the ponytail failed due to this issue. I found I loved the braided look though, but then found even it got ruined by the portrait incompatibility... =ƒÉÆ Bob Is Always Watching ... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James Dusette SquadGäó endorses Corbexx for CSM X !
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 20619	Posted - 2015.02.13 20:27:07 - [3] - Quote Kaaeliaa wrote: You still look fantastic, Miss Candi! Daww thanks Tbh I still like the overall look, so stayed with it despite it's unnecessary flaws. Kaaeliaa wrote: I find it interesting that the portraits are apparently rendered twice, once in the client, and then again, completely separately, by the server. How hard would it be to just render it once, locally, and send that to the server? Here's an interesting example. One night, while making a new portrait, I managed to get my hair to look a bit pink. I thought it was just a fortuitous trick of lighting, but apparently it was just a glitch and the server rendered it as very dull red. I was extremely disappointed. Ohhh very nice. I think I remember you showing me that before(?) Anycase yeah, it looked great and a shame the server didn't keep the appearance properly. You seemed to have worked with it pretty well though! Kaaeliaa's always looking classy and very attractive. But we can all look so much better CCP. =ƒÉÆ Bob Is Always Watching ... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James Dusette SquadGäó endorses Corbexx for CSM X !
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 25432	Posted - 2015.03.25 02:31:22 - [4] - Quote Thanks for the posts of support, pilots. 'bout time I gave this a Banana Bump to the front page. =ƒÉÆ Bob Is Always Watching ... Jack Miton > everyone knows im the best dusette "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James GÖ¬ -ér-à-ò-é -ôew, -ôear none, -òave yo-àr love -ôor only one.
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 26318	Posted - 2015.04.03 01:30:02 - [5] - Quote Elthiai Rhathe wrote: bumping even though my hair is 0 G floaty in space >.> Feels, Sista. And again, once more into the air with feeling. Just like my braids. =ƒÉÆ Bob Is Always Watching ... Jack Miton > everyone knows im the best dusette "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James GÖ¬ -ér-à-ò-é -ôew, -ôear none, -òave yo-àr love -ôor only one.
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 30800	Posted - 2015.05.19 22:46:55 - [6] - Quote Bump of relevance. Bob Is Always Watching ... Officially Unofficial Iso-5 AU tz Chainsaw DiplomatGäó "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James GÖ¬ -ér-à-ò-é -ôew, -ôear none, -òave yo-àr love -ôor only one.
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 30811	Posted - 2015.05.20 00:14:52 - [7] - Quote Tomiko Kawase wrote: While on one hand I would love to see this feature implemented, I feel like the physically simulated part is preventing CCP from rolling out more avatar gear. In the roundtable I remember them complaining a bit about weighting the different pieces. I'd be ok with them scrapping it entirely if it meant more content at some point. They haven't released a single hair variant that's been weighted since Incarna (the emo cut, Amarr halo, and Gallente... thing?). It's not so much a feature or really an implementation. Just a change to rendered portraits appear. Bob Is Always Watching ... Officially Unofficial Iso-5 AU tz Chainsaw DiplomatGäó "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James GÖ¬ -ér-à-ò-é -ôew, -ôear none, -òave yo-àr love -ôor only one.
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 30811	Posted - 2015.05.20 00:44:40 - [8] - Quote Tomiko Kawase wrote: I mean that is a feature. It would probably require someone or even a few people a few weeks of time to implement. It's not like CCP has a switch on the server they flip (BUT WHAT IF THEY DID? ):). That's the thing, I guess. Beyond speculating, nobody really knows what's involved or why it doesn't already render in this way (server catches it in this way, just doesn't render it). I'd like to see it changed, prior to more styles being implemented. Already enough awkward looking folks around with twisted or distorted hair. Don't want to make it even worse! Bob Is Always Watching ... Officially Unofficial Iso-5 AU tz Chainsaw DiplomatGäó "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James GÖ¬ -ér-à-ò-é -ôew, -ôear none, -òave yo-àr love -ôor only one.
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 31414	Posted - 2015.06.02 08:43:31 - [9] - Quote Still an issue that could do with a response or a fix. In Anoikis .. Bob Is Always Watching ... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James GÖ¬ -ér-à-ò-é -ôew, -ôear none, -òave yo-àr love -ôor only one.
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 31631	Posted - 2015.06.05 16:24:20 - [10] - Quote Thank you Cherri. I knew you would understand. In Anoikis .. Bob Is Always Watching ... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James GÖ¬ -ér-à-ò-é -ôew, -ôear none, -òave yo-àr love -ôor only one.
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 32082	Posted - 2015.06.09 14:34:09 - [11] - Quote To the forefront of this section you go, thread. In Anoikis .. Bob Is Always Watching ... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James GÖ¬ -ér-à-ò-é -ôew, -ôear none, -òave yo-àr love -ôor only one.
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 35670	Posted - 2015.08.25 04:17:02 - [12] - Quote Pew pew pew I'mma bump up dis thread 'coz dis issue it's messin' wit mah lil head Dis floaty hair dat make me wanna be dead So please yo Devs please fix dis hair instead In Anoikis .. Bob Is Always Watching ... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James GÖ¬ -¦een -++¦-é w+¦-é a -ôew -ò-+ell-ò, -¦-à-é +¦ don'-é wal-+ w+¦-é a l+¦-+p
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 37769	Posted - 2015.11.27 02:18:12 - [13] - Quote Shallanna Yassavi wrote: I honestly don't think making the render-step client-side is going to fix anything. Just look at one of the long-and-flowing hairstyles-it hovers over and around your imaginary shoulders. Or the OP's ponytails: they hover in character preview mode for me. Maybe it's different with another video card? DX9 mode? Major Windows revision? There's a setting in your client graphic settings to show/not show physically simulated hair & clothing. I'm guessing you've turned yours off. n-â fruít-¦-âwl lík-ö h-âm-ö =ƒìî Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 39866	Posted - 2016.01.25 23:06:14 - [14] - Quote Thanks for the support, Ladies. Airforce Annie wrote: dang, it doesn't show up here, but does in game. I was going to ask for a slow motion transition between saved poses so that you can get a better hair fling effect. it takes some doing, but if you have one extreme pose, and transition to another final pose, you can fling longer hair for a slightly more windblown look. That's because ingame you're viewing it in the character creator with physically simulated hair. When you initially save that look it will appear in your portrait for a brief time, at least until the server renders it, then you will see a version without physically simulated hair ingame and here on the forums, like you do right now. n-â fruít-¦-âwl lík-ö h-âm-ö =ƒìî Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 39866	Posted - 2016.01.31 02:51:55 - [15] - Quote Annexe wrote: +1 to the original post. And seeing as we are loosing the captain quarters with the new citadels, character portraits will be the only way of engaging and connecting with the characters we control. Thanks for your support! Though don't worry, we're not losing stations only POS towers. So we'll still be able to kick back in our CQ like always when visiting a system with a station in it. Maybe one day the door might even get opened. n-â fruít-¦-âwl lík-ö h-âm-ö =ƒìî Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 39880	Posted - 2016.06.02 06:56:59 - [16] - Quote Been a while so here's a bump for #thecause. =ƒìî Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James

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